diff --git a/veilid-core/src/network_manager/mod.rs b/veilid-core/src/network_manager/mod.rs
index 2ba43538..60d26957 100644
--- a/veilid-core/src/network_manager/mod.rs
+++ b/veilid-core/src/network_manager/mod.rs
@@ -1682,7 +1682,7 @@ impl NetworkManager {
                 // }
 
                 inconsistent
-            } else {
+            } else if matches!(public_internet_network_class, NetworkClass::OutboundOnly) {
                 // If we are currently outbound only, we don't have any public dial info
                 // but if we are starting to see consistent socket address from multiple reporting peers
                 // then we may be become inbound capable, so zap the network class so we can re-detect it and any public dial info
@@ -1710,6 +1710,10 @@ impl NetworkManager {
                     }
                 }
                 consistent
+            } else {
+                // If we are a webapp we never do this.
+                // If we have invalid network class, then public address detection is already going to happen via the network_class_discovery task
+                false
             };
 
         if needs_public_address_detection {
diff --git a/veilid-core/src/routing_table/routing_table_inner.rs b/veilid-core/src/routing_table/routing_table_inner.rs
index 8338be29..b867bc03 100644
--- a/veilid-core/src/routing_table/routing_table_inner.rs
+++ b/veilid-core/src/routing_table/routing_table_inner.rs
@@ -799,12 +799,12 @@ impl RoutingTableInner {
     pub fn transform_to_peer_info(
         &self,
         routing_domain: RoutingDomain,
-        own_peer_info: PeerInfo,
+        own_peer_info: &PeerInfo,
         k: DHTKey,
         v: Option<Arc<BucketEntry>>,
     ) -> PeerInfo {
         match v {
-            None => own_peer_info,
+            None => own_peer_info.clone(),
             Some(entry) => entry.with(self, |_rti, e| e.make_peer_info(k, routing_domain).unwrap()),
         }
     }
diff --git a/veilid-core/src/rpc_processor/rpc_find_node.rs b/veilid-core/src/rpc_processor/rpc_find_node.rs
index cd4e62b5..098c9714 100644
--- a/veilid-core/src/rpc_processor/rpc_find_node.rs
+++ b/veilid-core/src/rpc_processor/rpc_find_node.rs
@@ -92,18 +92,16 @@ impl RPCProcessor {
 
         // add node information for the requesting node to our routing table
         let routing_table = self.routing_table();
-        let own_peer_info = routing_table.get_own_peer_info(RoutingDomain::PublicInternet);
-        let has_valid_own_node_info = own_peer_info.is_some();
+        let Some(own_peer_info) = routing_table.get_own_peer_info(RoutingDomain::PublicInternet) else {
+            // Our own node info is not yet available, drop this request.
+            return Ok(NetworkResult::service_unavailable());
+        };
 
         // find N nodes closest to the target node in our routing table
 
         let filter = Box::new(
             move |rti: &RoutingTableInner, _k: DHTKey, v: Option<Arc<BucketEntry>>| {
-                rti.filter_has_valid_signed_node_info(
-                    RoutingDomain::PublicInternet,
-                    has_valid_own_node_info,
-                    v,
-                )
+                rti.filter_has_valid_signed_node_info(RoutingDomain::PublicInternet, true, v)
             },
         ) as RoutingTableEntryFilter;
         let filters = VecDeque::from([filter]);
@@ -113,12 +111,7 @@ impl RPCProcessor {
             filters,
             // transform
             |rti, k, v| {
-                rti.transform_to_peer_info(
-                    RoutingDomain::PublicInternet,
-                    own_peer_info.as_ref().unwrap().clone(),
-                    k,
-                    v,
-                )
+                rti.transform_to_peer_info(RoutingDomain::PublicInternet, &own_peer_info, k, v)
             },
         );
 
diff --git a/veilid-core/src/veilid_api/debug.rs b/veilid-core/src/veilid_api/debug.rs
index 724cf6d8..2349a97c 100644
--- a/veilid-core/src/veilid_api/debug.rs
+++ b/veilid-core/src/veilid_api/debug.rs
@@ -541,6 +541,9 @@ impl VeilidAPI {
             NetworkResult::Timeout => {
                 return Ok("Timeout".to_owned());
             }
+            NetworkResult::ServiceUnavailable => {
+                return Ok("ServiceUnavailable".to_owned());
+            }
             NetworkResult::NoConnection(e) => {
                 return Ok(format!("NoConnection({})", e));
             }
diff --git a/veilid-core/src/veilid_api/error.rs b/veilid-core/src/veilid_api/error.rs
index 6d6f1a25..aece21d4 100644
--- a/veilid-core/src/veilid_api/error.rs
+++ b/veilid-core/src/veilid_api/error.rs
@@ -8,6 +8,14 @@ macro_rules! apibail_timeout {
     };
 }
 
+#[allow(unused_macros)]
+#[macro_export]
+macro_rules! apibail_try_again {
+    () => {
+        return Err(VeilidAPIError::try_again())
+    };
+}
+
 #[allow(unused_macros)]
 #[macro_export]
 macro_rules! apibail_generic {
@@ -95,6 +103,8 @@ pub enum VeilidAPIError {
     AlreadyInitialized,
     #[error("Timeout")]
     Timeout,
+    #[error("TryAgain")]
+    TryAgain,
     #[error("Shutdown")]
     Shutdown,
     #[error("Key not found: {key}")]
@@ -131,6 +141,9 @@ impl VeilidAPIError {
     pub fn timeout() -> Self {
         Self::Timeout
     }
+    pub fn try_again() -> Self {
+        Self::TryAgain
+    }
     pub fn shutdown() -> Self {
         Self::Shutdown
     }
diff --git a/veilid-core/src/veilid_api/routing_context.rs b/veilid-core/src/veilid_api/routing_context.rs
index 4e712330..3cffd867 100644
--- a/veilid-core/src/veilid_api/routing_context.rs
+++ b/veilid-core/src/veilid_api/routing_context.rs
@@ -153,6 +153,7 @@ impl RoutingContext {
         let answer = match rpc_processor.rpc_call_app_call(dest, request).await {
             Ok(NetworkResult::Value(v)) => v,
             Ok(NetworkResult::Timeout) => apibail_timeout!(),
+            Ok(NetworkResult::ServiceUnavailable) => apibail_try_again!(),
             Ok(NetworkResult::NoConnection(e)) | Ok(NetworkResult::AlreadyExists(e)) => {
                 apibail_no_connection!(e);
             }
@@ -181,6 +182,7 @@ impl RoutingContext {
         match rpc_processor.rpc_call_app_message(dest, message).await {
             Ok(NetworkResult::Value(())) => {}
             Ok(NetworkResult::Timeout) => apibail_timeout!(),
+            Ok(NetworkResult::ServiceUnavailable) => apibail_try_again!(),
             Ok(NetworkResult::NoConnection(e)) | Ok(NetworkResult::AlreadyExists(e)) => {
                 apibail_no_connection!(e);
             }
diff --git a/veilid-tools/src/network_result.rs b/veilid-tools/src/network_result.rs
index 55145cf5..0ddb3973 100644
--- a/veilid-tools/src/network_result.rs
+++ b/veilid-tools/src/network_result.rs
@@ -68,6 +68,7 @@ impl<T, E> NetworkResultResultExt<T, E> for NetworkResult<Result<T, E>> {
     fn into_result_network_result(self) -> Result<NetworkResult<T>, E> {
         match self {
             NetworkResult::Timeout => Ok(NetworkResult::<T>::Timeout),
+            NetworkResult::ServiceUnavailable => Ok(NetworkResult::<T>::ServiceUnavailable),
             NetworkResult::NoConnection(e) => Ok(NetworkResult::<T>::NoConnection(e)),
             NetworkResult::AlreadyExists(e) => Ok(NetworkResult::<T>::AlreadyExists(e)),
             NetworkResult::InvalidMessage(s) => Ok(NetworkResult::<T>::InvalidMessage(s)),
@@ -160,6 +161,7 @@ impl<T> FoldedNetworkResultExt<T> for io::Result<NetworkResult<T>> {
 #[must_use]
 pub enum NetworkResult<T> {
     Timeout,
+    ServiceUnavailable,
     NoConnection(io::Error),
     AlreadyExists(io::Error),
     InvalidMessage(String),
@@ -170,6 +172,9 @@ impl<T> NetworkResult<T> {
     pub fn timeout() -> Self {
         Self::Timeout
     }
+    pub fn service_unavailable() -> Self {
+        Self::ServiceUnavailable
+    }
     pub fn no_connection(e: io::Error) -> Self {
         Self::NoConnection(e)
     }
@@ -201,6 +206,7 @@ impl<T> NetworkResult<T> {
     pub fn map<X, F: Fn(T) -> X>(self, f: F) -> NetworkResult<X> {
         match self {
             Self::Timeout => NetworkResult::<X>::Timeout,
+            Self::ServiceUnavailable => NetworkResult::<X>::ServiceUnavailable,
             Self::NoConnection(e) => NetworkResult::<X>::NoConnection(e),
             Self::AlreadyExists(e) => NetworkResult::<X>::AlreadyExists(e),
             Self::InvalidMessage(s) => NetworkResult::<X>::InvalidMessage(s),
@@ -210,6 +216,10 @@ impl<T> NetworkResult<T> {
     pub fn into_result(self) -> Result<T, io::Error> {
         match self {
             Self::Timeout => Err(io::Error::new(io::ErrorKind::TimedOut, "Timed out")),
+            Self::ServiceUnavailable => Err(io::Error::new(
+                io::ErrorKind::NotFound,
+                "Service unavailable",
+            )),
             Self::NoConnection(e) => Err(e),
             Self::AlreadyExists(e) => Err(e),
             Self::InvalidMessage(s) => Err(io::Error::new(
@@ -230,21 +240,11 @@ impl<T> From<NetworkResult<T>> for Option<T> {
     }
 }
 
-// impl<T: Clone> Clone for NetworkResult<T> {
-//     fn clone(&self) -> Self {
-//         match self {
-//             Self::Timeout => Self::Timeout,
-//             Self::NoConnection(e) => Self::NoConnection(e.clone()),
-//             Self::InvalidMessage(s) => Self::InvalidMessage(s.clone()),
-//             Self::Value(t) => Self::Value(t.clone()),
-//         }
-//     }
-// }
-
 impl<T: Debug> Debug for NetworkResult<T> {
     fn fmt(&self, f: &mut core::fmt::Formatter<'_>) -> core::fmt::Result {
         match self {
             Self::Timeout => write!(f, "Timeout"),
+            Self::ServiceUnavailable => write!(f, "ServiceUnavailable"),
             Self::NoConnection(e) => f.debug_tuple("NoConnection").field(e).finish(),
             Self::AlreadyExists(e) => f.debug_tuple("AlreadyExists").field(e).finish(),
             Self::InvalidMessage(s) => f.debug_tuple("InvalidMessage").field(s).finish(),
@@ -257,6 +257,7 @@ impl<T> Display for NetworkResult<T> {
     fn fmt(&self, f: &mut core::fmt::Formatter<'_>) -> core::fmt::Result {
         match self {
             Self::Timeout => write!(f, "Timeout"),
+            Self::ServiceUnavailable => write!(f, "ServiceUnavailable"),
             Self::NoConnection(e) => write!(f, "NoConnection({})", e.kind()),
             Self::AlreadyExists(e) => write!(f, "AlreadyExists({})", e.kind()),
             Self::InvalidMessage(s) => write!(f, "InvalidMessage({})", s),
@@ -275,6 +276,7 @@ macro_rules! network_result_try {
     ($r: expr) => {
         match $r {
             NetworkResult::Timeout => return Ok(NetworkResult::Timeout),
+            NetworkResult::ServiceUnavailable => return Ok(NetworkResult::ServiceUnavailable),
             NetworkResult::NoConnection(e) => return Ok(NetworkResult::NoConnection(e)),
             NetworkResult::AlreadyExists(e) => return Ok(NetworkResult::AlreadyExists(e)),
             NetworkResult::InvalidMessage(s) => return Ok(NetworkResult::InvalidMessage(s)),
@@ -287,6 +289,10 @@ macro_rules! network_result_try {
                 $f;
                 return Ok(NetworkResult::Timeout);
             }
+            NetworkResult::ServiceUnavailable => {
+                $f;
+                return Ok(NetworkResult::ServiceUnavailable);
+            }
             NetworkResult::NoConnection(e) => {
                 $f;
                 return Ok(NetworkResult::NoConnection(e));
@@ -340,6 +346,16 @@ macro_rules! network_result_value_or_log {
                 );
                 $f
             }
+            NetworkResult::ServiceUnavailable => {
+                log_network_result!(
+                    "{} at {}@{}:{}",
+                    "ServiceUnavailable".cyan(),
+                    file!(),
+                    line!(),
+                    column!()
+                );
+                $f
+            }
             NetworkResult::NoConnection(e) => {
                 log_network_result!(
                     "{}({}) at {}@{}:{}",