diff --git a/veilid-cli/src/command_processor.rs b/veilid-cli/src/command_processor.rs
index 24b0d2b9..4eb4337f 100644
--- a/veilid-cli/src/command_processor.rs
+++ b/veilid-cli/src/command_processor.rs
@@ -126,8 +126,6 @@ impl CommandProcessor {
     exit/quit                           exit the client
     disconnect                          disconnect the client from the Veilid node 
     shutdown                            shut the server down
-    attach                              attach the server to the Veilid network
-    detach                              detach the server from the Veilid network
     change_log_level <layer> <level>    change the log level for a tracing layer
                                         layers include: 
                                             all, terminal, system, api, file, otlp
@@ -169,32 +167,6 @@ Server Debug Commands:
         Ok(())
     }
 
-    pub fn cmd_attach(&self, callback: UICallback) -> Result<(), String> {
-        trace!("CommandProcessor::cmd_attach");
-        let capi = self.capi();
-        let ui = self.ui_sender();
-        spawn_detached_local(async move {
-            if let Err(e) = capi.server_attach().await {
-                error!("Server command 'attach' failed: {}", e);
-            }
-            ui.send_callback(callback);
-        });
-        Ok(())
-    }
-
-    pub fn cmd_detach(&self, callback: UICallback) -> Result<(), String> {
-        trace!("CommandProcessor::cmd_detach");
-        let capi = self.capi();
-        let ui = self.ui_sender();
-        spawn_detached_local(async move {
-            if let Err(e) = capi.server_detach().await {
-                error!("Server command 'detach' failed: {}", e);
-            }
-            ui.send_callback(callback);
-        });
-        Ok(())
-    }
-
     pub fn cmd_disconnect(&self, callback: UICallback) -> Result<(), String> {
         trace!("CommandProcessor::cmd_disconnect");
         let capi = self.capi();
@@ -315,8 +287,6 @@ Server Debug Commands:
             "quit" => self.cmd_exit(callback),
             "disconnect" => self.cmd_disconnect(callback),
             "shutdown" => self.cmd_shutdown(callback),
-            "attach" => self.cmd_attach(callback),
-            "detach" => self.cmd_detach(callback),
             "change_log_level" => self.cmd_change_log_level(rest, callback),
             "enable" => self.cmd_enable(rest, callback),
             "disable" => self.cmd_disable(rest, callback),
diff --git a/veilid-core/src/attachment_manager.rs b/veilid-core/src/attachment_manager.rs
index a373bea2..0dcd6cdb 100644
--- a/veilid-core/src/attachment_manager.rs
+++ b/veilid-core/src/attachment_manager.rs
@@ -180,14 +180,36 @@ impl AttachmentManager {
         }
     }
 
+    fn update_attaching_detaching_state(&self, state: AttachmentState) {
+        let update_callback = {
+            let mut inner = self.inner.lock();
+            inner.last_attachment_state = state;
+            if state == AttachmentState::Attaching {
+                inner.attach_ts = Some(get_aligned_timestamp());
+            } else if state == AttachmentState::Detached {
+                inner.attach_ts = None;
+            } else if state == AttachmentState::Detaching {
+                // ok
+            } else {
+                unreachable!("don't use this for attached states, use update_attachment()");
+            }
+            inner.update_callback.clone()
+        };
+
+        if let Some(update_callback) = update_callback {
+            update_callback(VeilidUpdate::Attachment(VeilidStateAttachment {
+                state,
+                public_internet_ready: false,
+                local_network_ready: false,
+            }))
+        }
+    }
+
     #[instrument(level = "debug", skip(self))]
     async fn attachment_maintainer(self) {
-        {
-            let mut inner = self.inner.lock();
-            inner.last_attachment_state = AttachmentState::Attaching;
-            inner.attach_ts = Some(get_aligned_timestamp());
-            debug!("attachment starting");
-        }
+        debug!("attachment starting");
+        self.update_attaching_detaching_state(AttachmentState::Attaching);
+
         let netman = self.network_manager();
 
         let mut restart;
@@ -226,8 +248,7 @@ impl AttachmentManager {
             debug!("stopped maintaining peers");
 
             if !restart {
-                let mut inner = self.inner.lock();
-                inner.last_attachment_state = AttachmentState::Detaching;
+                self.update_attaching_detaching_state(AttachmentState::Detaching);
                 debug!("attachment stopping");
             }
 
@@ -243,12 +264,8 @@ impl AttachmentManager {
             sleep(1000).await;
         }
 
-        {
-            let mut inner = self.inner.lock();
-            inner.last_attachment_state = AttachmentState::Detached;
-            inner.attach_ts = None;
-            debug!("attachment stopped");
-        }
+        self.update_attaching_detaching_state(AttachmentState::Detached);
+        debug!("attachment stopped");
     }
 
     #[instrument(level = "debug", skip_all, err)]